OOPS I trusted my source on this and ..... oh well. He may or may not be a racist BUT Tommy Hilfiger clothing is made in Sweat Shops under slave labor conditions in third world countries and DOES cost US workers jobs AND THAT'S NO HOAX!!!!!! This is what the Net hoaxes, urban legends & rumors website says about it: http://urbanlegends.about.com/science/urbanlegends/library/blxprotest.htm Hilfiger 'Racist' Rumor Is Fashionable Again Dateline: 12/16/98 By David Emery The topic of this week's sermon is the Ninth Commandment of Moses: "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." Allow me to cast the first stone. A whole lot of nice, earnest folks who surely don't consider themselves liars are using the Internet to spread a false and libelous rumor about fashion designer Tommy Hilfiger. It comes to them in the form of a forwarded email message. They read it, they either believe it to be true or don't care if it's true, and they pass it on to friends, associates and people they hardly even know with the click of a mouse button. Knowingly or not, each one of these people thus becomes a link in a growing chain of lies. Here's one version of the rumor: Subject: FWD: Tommy Hilfiger hates us... Did you see the recent Oprah Winfrey show on which Tommy Hilfiger was a guest? Oprah asked Hilfiger if his alleged statements about people of color were true - he's been accused of saying things such as "If I had known that African-Americans, Hispanics and Asians would buy my clothes, I would not have made them so nice," and "I wish those people would not buy my clothes - they were made for upper-class whites." What did he say when Oprah asked him if he said these things? He said "Yes." Oprah immediately asked Hilfiger to leave her show. Now, let's give Hilfiger what he's asked for - let's not buy his clothes. Boycott! Please - pass this message along. As I say, that's just one version – the sanitized, "politically correct" one, if you will. A more popular and impolite variant goes like this: Subject: Did you see this show - Nov. 28th. For those who missed the Oprah Winfrey show where she interviewed the fashion designer, he made a VERY RACIST remark regarding the people that purchase his clothing line... Summed up, he basically said that if he had known that so many chinamen and niggers were going to buy his clothes, he never would have made it so nice....... After which, Oprah kindly asked him to leave. Now that we all know that he is a BIG TIME RACIST, my suggestion is that we and all of our friends should boycott the TOMMY HILFIGER line. I don't see any point in supporting someone who has such a narrow mind... What a jerk this guy is! Yeah, if it weren't for us CHINAMEN and NIGGERS, does he think he can be where he is today????? Please forward this to everyone you know, he really does not deserve anyone's support at all. All lies, from top to bottom. Hurtful and scandalous lies. I know some members of the congregation must be wondering: "How does he know that?" Well, the answer is quite simple: I looked it up, friends, just as any one of you could have looked it up before you sent it off in all directions out in cyberspace. It took all of two minutes to find the answers. Try it youself. Go to Infoseek and do a search on the keywords "hilfiger racist." Among other interesting results, you'll find a link to the USA Today article entitled "Designer Hilfiger disputes Net rumors of racism." Hilfiger has never appeared on Oprah, the article declares. It goes on to quote a statement from a company representative: "The facts are simple and incontrovertible. Tommy Hilfiger did not make the alleged inappropriate racial comments. ... Whether these rumors are part of a misunderstanding or a deliberate act of malice, they have absolutely no basis in fact." You'll also find Internet World's July '97 item, "Rumors: All the Fashion." It reveals how callously one rumormonger responded when she was told the information she'd posted to a Usenet newsgroup was false. (It's not too late for her to repent!) It takes a bit more time and digging to locate it, but there's also an informative New York Times article online in which the Hilfiger Company states hopefully, "The circulation of the false information on the Internet appears to be declining." That was in 1997. Sad to say, Hilfiger is still learning how hard it is to kill Internet rumors. If you're among the truly diligent, you'll eventually come across the best resource of all, and certainly the one those "in the know" would have checked out first: the Urban Legends Reference Pages. http://www.snopes.com Type in "hilfiger" on the handy search page there and you'll be treated to 'Tommy Rot', Barbara Mikkelson's well-researched article debunking the rumor. She explains how a similar story haunted designer Liz Claiborne for many years before it became attached to Tommy Hilfiger. You'll come away with a bit of historical perspective, and the truth. In closing, friends, let me remind you that there's a point to all this apart from the plain fact that the Hilfiger rumor is false. The point is that a lie is a lie, whether you say it with your mouth or send it in an email. The point is that you needn't bear false witness against your neighbor when the truth is only a few clicks away. Repent, sinners. Check the facts before you forward! Rev. Thom Saffold Ann Arbor, MI 734-668-1549 "Those who hate injustice are obligated to fight it with every ounce of their strength. They must work for a new world in which greed and selfishness will finally be overcome."-- Ignacio Ellacuria, S.J. Assassinated by SOA graduates -----Original Message----- From: Doc Rosen <docrosen@dr.com> To: announce-dan announce-dan <announce-dan@egroups.com> Date: Saturday, December 02, 2000 1:42 AM Subject: FYI Boycott Of course it isn't the type of stuff I or anyone I know would wear anyway AND it is all made in Sweatshops so.... ------Original Message------ > >Don't buy your next shirt or perfume from > >Tommy Hilfiger. > > > >I'm sure many of you watched the recent taping of the > >Oprah Winfrey show where her guest was Tommy Hilfiger. > > > >On the show, she asked him if the statements about > >race he was accused of saying were true. Statements like > >"...if I'd known African-Americans, Hispanics, jewish > >and Asians would buy my clothes, I would not > >have made them so nice. I wish these people would > >*NOT* buy my clothes, as they are made for upper class white > >people." > > > >His answer to Oprah was a simple "YES". Where after > >she immediately asked him to leave her show. My > >suggestion? Let's give him what he asked for. > >Let's not buy his clothes, let's put him in a > >financial state where he himself will not be able to > >afford the ridiculous prices he puts on his clothes. > > > >BOYCOTT. PLEASE SEND THIS MESSAGE TO ANYONE YOU KNOW > >DO NOT SPEND YOU HARD EARNED MONEY ON CLOTHES MADE BY SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT RESPECT YOU AS A PERSON, OR > >PEOPLE IN GENERAL FOR WHO THEY ARE-DESPITE THEIR RACE! ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/0/_/794163/_/975776649/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> To Post a message, send it to: announce-dan@eGroups.com To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: announce-dan-unsubscribe@eGroups.com
By David Emery
The topic of this week's sermon is the Ninth Commandment
of Moses:
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor."
Allow me to cast the first stone.
A whole lot of nice, earnest folks who surely don't consider themselves liars are using the Internet to spread a false and libelous rumor about fashion designer Tommy Hilfiger.
It comes to them in the form of a forwarded email message. They read it, they either believe it to be true or don't care if it's true, and they pass it on to friends, associates and people they hardly even know with the click of a mouse button.
Knowingly or not, each one of these people thus becomes a link in a growing chain of lies.
Here's one version of the rumor:
| Subject: FWD: Tommy Hilfiger hates us...
Did you see the recent Oprah Winfrey show on which Tommy Hilfiger was a guest? Oprah asked Hilfiger if his alleged statements about people of color were true - he's been accused of saying things such as "If I had known that African-Americans, Hispanics and Asians would buy my clothes, I would not have made them so nice," and "I wish those people would not buy my clothes - they were made for upper-class whites." What did he say when Oprah asked him if he said these things? He said "Yes." Oprah immediately asked Hilfiger to leave her show. Now, let's give Hilfiger what he's asked for - let's not buy his clothes. Boycott! Please - pass this message along. |
As I say, that's just one version – the sanitized, "politically correct" one, if you will. A more popular and impolite variant goes like this:
| Subject: Did you see this show - Nov. 28th.
For those who missed the Oprah Winfrey show where she interviewed the fashion designer, he made a VERY RACIST remark regarding the people that purchase his clothing line... Summed up, he basically said that if he had known that so many chinamen and niggers were going to buy his clothes, he never would have made it so nice....... After which, Oprah kindly asked him to leave. Now that we all know that he is a BIG TIME RACIST, my suggestion is that we and all of our friends should boycott the TOMMY HILFIGER line. I don't see any point in supporting someone who has such a narrow mind... What a jerk this guy is! Yeah, if it weren't for us CHINAMEN and NIGGERS, does he think he can be where he is today????? Please forward this to everyone you know, he really does not deserve anyone's support at all. |
All lies, from top to bottom. Hurtful and scandalous lies.
I know some members of the congregation must be wondering: "How does he know that?"
Well, the answer is quite simple: I looked it up, friends, just as any one of you could have looked it up before you sent it off in all directions out in cyberspace. It took all of two minutes to find the answers.
Try it youself. Go to Infoseek and do a search on the keywords "hilfiger racist."
Among other interesting results, you'll find a link to the USA Today article entitled "Designer Hilfiger disputes Net rumors of racism." Hilfiger has never appeared on Oprah, the article declares. It goes on to quote a statement from a company representative:
"The facts are simple and incontrovertible. Tommy Hilfiger did not make the alleged inappropriate racial comments. ... Whether these rumors are part of a misunderstanding or a deliberate act of malice, they have absolutely no basis in fact."
You'll also find Internet World's July '97 item, "Rumors: All the Fashion." It reveals how callously one rumormonger responded when she was told the information she'd posted to a Usenet newsgroup was false. (It's not too late for her to repent!)
It takes a bit more time and digging to locate it, but there's also an informative New York Times article online in which the Hilfiger Company states hopefully, "The circulation of the false information on the Internet appears to be declining."
That was in 1997. Sad to say, Hilfiger is still learning how hard it is to kill Internet rumors.
If you're among the truly diligent, you'll eventually come across the best resource of all, and certainly the one those "in the know" would have checked out first: the Urban Legends Reference Pages. http://www.snopes.com
Type in "hilfiger" on the handy search page there and you'll be treated to 'Tommy Rot', Barbara Mikkelson's well-researched article debunking the rumor. She explains how a similar story haunted designer Liz Claiborne for many years before it became attached to Tommy Hilfiger. You'll come away with a bit of historical perspective, and the truth.
In closing, friends, let me remind you that there's a point to all this apart from the plain fact that the Hilfiger rumor is false. The point is that a lie is a lie, whether you say it with your mouth or send it in an email. The point is that you needn't bear false witness against your neighbor when the truth is only a few clicks away.
Repent, sinners. Check the facts before you forward!
Rev. Thom Saffold
Ann Arbor, MI
734-668-1549
"Those who
hate injustice are obligated to fight it with every ounce of their strength.
They must work for a new world in which greed and selfishness will finally be
overcome."-- Ignacio Ellacuria, S.J. Assassinated by SOA graduates
-----Original Message-----Of course it isn't the type of stuff I or anyone I know would wear
From: Doc Rosen <docrosen@dr.com>
To: announce-dan announce-dan <announce-dan@egroups.com>
Date: Saturday, December 02, 2000 1:42 AM
Subject: FYI Boycott
anyway AND it is all made in Sweatshops so....
------Original Message------
> >Don't buy your next shirt or perfume from
> >Tommy Hilfiger.
> >
> >I'm sure many of you watched the recent taping of the
> >Oprah Winfrey show where her guest was Tommy Hilfiger.
> >
> >On the show, she asked him if the statements about
> >race he was accused of saying were true. Statements like
> >"...if I'd known African-Americans, Hispanics, jewish
> >and Asians would buy my clothes, I would not
> >have made them so nice. I wish these people would
> >*NOT* buy my clothes, as they are made for upper class white
> >people."
> >
> >His answer to Oprah was a simple "YES". Where after
> >she immediately asked him to leave her show. My
> >suggestion? Let's give him what he asked for.
> >Let's not buy his clothes, let's put him in a
> >financial state where he himself will not be able to
> >afford the ridiculous prices he puts on his clothes.
> >
> >BOYCOTT. PLEASE SEND THIS MESSAGE TO ANYONE YOU KNOW
> >DO NOT SPEND YOU HARD EARNED MONEY ON CLOTHES MADE BY SOMEONE WHO
DOES NOT
RESPECT YOU AS A PERSON, OR
> >PEOPLE IN GENERAL FOR WHO THEY ARE-DESPITE THEIR RACE!
>
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