[discuss-dan] Essay/Letter to Publish if U want to

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From: R D B <crimsonwolf23@hotmail.com>

Publish if you wish. This is in response to the article that is BELOW my 
response.
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Utter Democratic Party nonsense. Blaming people for not wanting to
support 
them. Gore would have won by a landslide if he wasn't so saddled with
the 
SAME corporate baggage as Bush. If Gore had campaigned as a real
alternative to the "free-trade" WTO, IMF, NAFTA NEW WORLD ORDER (that is
destroying environments, cultures, freedom's, and human right's around
the 
globe...check women's rights in Nike sweatshops...there are none!) he
would of had the support of Greens and others too.

But he campaigned as his and Clinton's track record predicted...as 
centrist/rightist pro corporate world domination pseudo Republicrats!
All 
the working class rhetoric couldn't dispel their weak do nothing record
on 
the environment (global warming/fossil fuels), gays (in the military),
labor (sweat shops, union busting and monopolies abound) and human
rights (East Timor, Mexico, Rwanda, Iraqi sanctions and continued
bombings, Cuban 
sanctions and harassment, largest non-violent offender prison population
in the world), etc). It is almost like their whole difference from
Republicans hinges on the single issue of abortion. NOT ENOUGH!
Important but just not enough.

They also let the Republican machine STEAL THE ELECTION AND NEVER EVEN 
CALLED IT THAT! Instead of refusing to do any business with an
illegitimate government THEY ARE ALL FALLING OVER THEMSELVES TO PROVE
HOW BI-PARTISAN THEY CAN BE, HOW READY TO "WORK" WITH BUSH THEY ARE AND
THEN STILL BLAMING NADER AND THE GREEN PARTY for their loss! Ha Ha Ha,
PLEASE!

The amount of votes that Nader pulled in Florida (reportedly 93,000)
were 
nothing compared to the amount of votes that were NOT counted, barred or 
otherwise kept out of the final tally! And Nationally the percentage was 
NOTHING!!! NOTHING! SQUAT! Thanks to the SCARE orchestrated by the
Democrats using a former Monsanto Honcho as team leader for the GET
NADER BY SCARING HIS SUPPORTERS CAMPAIGN!

I hear NO ONE CHASTISING THE MILLIONS OF ELIGIBLE VOTERS WHO DID NOT
EVEN 
BOTHER TO VOTE! THESE PEOPLE WAY OUT NUMBERED THE GREEN VOTES! But no 
criticism of them. Why? Because they are not an organized growing 3rd
party! That's why! There is no political capital to be made.

Yet they are still criticizing Nader/Greens for making them lose the 
election and for not attacking Bush hard enough and attacking Gore and
the 
Democrats AT ALL! (Why HOW DARE they criticize the Democrats! Shocking!)
The fact of the matter is that Nader/Greens didn't even need to say one
word about Bush and the nazi-Republicans BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW ABOUT
THEM!!  WHAT WAS THERE TO SAY? A waste of breath! If you don't know what
is going on now...no Nader speech is going to open your eyes about the
Republicans! Let's stop playing games.

But the Democrats try to position themselves as an alternative to them
when FUNDAMENTALLY YEAR BY YEAR THEY ARE GOING IN THE SAME DIRECTION FOR
THE SAME REASONS!! Hell, Richard Nixon's administration had a way more
"liberal" and environmental and labor-friendly stance than the
Clinton-Gore administration! Come on!

And Clinton's LAST MINUTE actions also stink! Why didn't he make the
Alaskan park a national monument years ago? Cause he knows that Bush
will overturn his actions and if he had done it years ago his oil
buddies would have had a rougher time getting it changed back. And he
pardon's HIS OWN COKE HEAD BROTHER AND LEAVES LEONARD PELTIER AND MUMIA
TO ROT!!! Fuck Clinton!

And these "oh so radically different than the Republicans" Democrats
what 
are they even doing now? Are they stopping Ashcroft? NO! Are they acting 
like Bush was elected? YES! Are they going along with the BIG LIE! YES!
Are they calling it as it REALLY IS? NO! Are they lying and playing
silly make believe games about what they HAVE to do to "get things done
in a bipartisan way" and playing along with a completely ILLEGAL
government that has now stolen power! THAT IS COLLABORATION!!! THAT IS
CAPITULATION! THAT PROVES THAT THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE! Hell the
Democrats won't even ACTUALLY SAY THAT it is an illegal government with
an EXTREME RIGHT WING THEOCRATIC AGENDA!! That is CO-OPERATION! There is
no difference...NADER IS RIGHT!

PS-Greens are VERY active right now organizing all across the country! 
THAT'S WHY THE DEMOCRATS HAVE GOT TO KEEP BASHING NADER AND THE GREEN
PARTY! THEY ARE TRYING TO DERAIL THE EMERGENCE OF A REAL LEFT 3RD PARTY!
CRIB-DEATH IS THEIR GOAL NOT THE TRUTH!!

RDuncan Bond with NO REGRETS!
Seattle WA
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In a message dated 1/25/01 12:57:36 PM Central Standard Time,
mhuebel@houston.rr.com writes:

<< Attention, All Naderites: Are You Sleeping Well?
   by Joe Conason
   http://www.observer.com/conason

   For those who argued last fall that there was no substantial
difference
  between Republicans and Democrats, life has become a bracing lesson in
  political realities. Over the next four years this educational
experience
  will continue unhappily, as George W. Bush pursues the agenda of his
  sponsors on the corporate and religious right.
    Actually, the lesson began a few weeks before Mr. Bush took office,
when
  the departing Bill Clinton signed documents that will protect 58
million
  acres of federally owned land from the depredations of the timber,
mining
  and energy industries. Those historic signatures represented several
years
  of public hearings and bureaucratic preparation-all of which were
being
  completed even while Ralph Nader denounced Mr. Clinton as no better
and
  perhaps somewhat worse on environmental issues than his Republican
   predecessors.
    Not one grudging word of praise for the Clinton executive orders was 
heard
  from Mr.. Nader or his followers. In fact, not much at all has been
heard
  from the Nader crusaders during the past few months, except for an
  occasional bleat pleading their innocence in the Election Day debacle.
   Considering how fervently they proclaimed their democratic idealism 
during
  the campaign, they had remarkably little to say about the travesties
  inflicted on their fellow citizens by the authorities in Florida last
  November. Mostly they responded with butt-covering rhetoric about how
it 
was
  all Al Gore's fault.
    There was some truth in the Naderite critique of the Gore campaign
and 
the
  Clinton administration, but that doesn't diminish their culpability
for 
what
  ails the nation now. And by the way, exactly where are the Naderites
now,
  when Mr. Bush is staffing his government with the likes of John
Ashcroft,
  Gale Norton and Tommy Thompson? Nowhere to be seen, and perhaps
  understandably  so.
    But just the other night Phil Donahue, a former television
personality 
who
  was among Mr. Nader's most prominent endorsers, did surface
momentarily on 
a
  Fox News program. In that venue Mr. Donahue insisted-to the snickering
  delight of the show's conservative Republican host-that he felt no 
regrets.
  He then launched into an impassioned defense of abortion rights, 
apparently
  failing to notice the cognitive dissonance in his own blather.
    As an advocate of feminist freedom, Mr. Donahue must have been
outraged
  when, on the President's first full working day in office, Mr. Bush
  rescinded federal funding for any organization that provides abortion
  counseling to women overseas. On that same day Mr. Thompson, the
incoming
  Secretary of Health and Human Services, threatened to prevent
distribution
  of RU-486, the abortion drug previously approved by the Clinton
  administration.  Does Mr. Donahue believe that is how a President Gore 
would
  have commemorated the 28th anniversary of Roe v. Wade?
    Mr. Nader himself has never pretended to care about women's right to
  choose. There was a time not too long ago, however, when the great 
consumer
  pioneer would have led the fight against cabinet choices like Mr.
Ashcroft
  and Ms. Norton. He would have warned against their obvious
subservience to
  special interests and their unfitness to enforce laws they clearly
intend 
to
  undermine. Yet neither Mr. Nader nor the groups he controls have
joined 
the
  broad coalitions that oppose these worst of the Bush nominees. It
seems 
that
  the logic (or illogic) of his Presidential campaign has rendered him
mute 
in
  the face of events that have since proved him terribly wrong.
    Well, not totally mute. Lately, the erstwhile Green Party candidate
has
  been formulating helpful advice for the man whom he already has helped
far
  too much.
    "Our new President," wrote Mr. Nader in an essay published on the
  inaugural weekend, "should enable and encourage the formation of 
voluntary,
  non-partisan, self-funded associations that would act as watchdogs and
  improve government policies. His first step should be a proclamation
  endorsing such associations. Then, he should ask Congress to charter
them.
  Finally, he should order federal agencies to use their mailing
resources 
and
  Web sites to encourage citizens to join."
    According to Mr. Nader, such a Bush-sponsored upwelling of civic 
activism
  could "redress the severe imbalance of power in Washington between
  corporations and citizens." Why, it could even become, in his words,
  "President Bush's greatest legacy-the best way to become, in his own 
words,
  'the president for all the people.'"
    This sounds like Mr. Nader was trying out a mordant joke, but he
wasn't.
  He appears to hope that the President-a well-greased instrument of 
corporate
  lobbyists-will somehow become enamored of the Nader version of
mail-order
  populism. In the meantime, Mr. Nader has announced a less nebulous
plan in
  which Mr. Bush is definitely interested, that being the defeat of
  Congressional Democrats in every district where the Green Party can
serve 
as
  a spoiler.
    So it turns out that America really does have two parties with no
real
  difference: the Republicans and the Greens.


    This column ran in The New York Observer. >>

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